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Could doing CPR with a foot cause harm to the recipient?

In a situation where the rescuer were unable to continue due to fatigue of the arms, is there a way to safely do CPR with the foot?

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  • It would help to define acceptable. Since the point in compressions is to force circulation, if you were able to do it with the right pressure area, depth and rate, anything would theoretically work. But controlling depth/area with your foot may be more difficult, you may risk pushing too hard. However, in the situation where you fatigue without anyone to relieve you, that is a good question. Ethically, I'd be all for doing it to keep the person alive. Legally, I don't know if it would be considered doing CPR "the wrong way." Maybe reword if this is your real question. – DoctorWhom Oct 4 '16 at 2:51
  • I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because trollish questions are not in place here – AliceD Oct 4 '16 at 11:02
  • Whohaaa sorry for that comment and (now retracted) close-vote! I read PCR hahahaha O.o – AliceD Oct 4 '16 at 13:11
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    May be better of @Health.SE btw. My close-votes are used up obviously, but fwiw – AliceD Oct 4 '16 at 13:13
  • @Christiaan Actually I've considered posting it on health.SE, but finally I posted it here because I think biology.SE has a larger audience, and also because I found an existing question on PCR here. – nalzok Oct 4 '16 at 13:28
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Mechanically, if you have good enough foot control to be able to meet compressions guidelines, then a compression is a compression. But there are a few things to consider. Most importantly, what a good compression is and how to achieve it, and whether you can achieve it with your foot.

To begin, CPR guidelines are updated regularly based upon research into effectiveness and outcomes.

Rate and depth are the 2 primary factors in maximizing circulation while allowing the heart enough filling time. (page 39)

Placement is also important for minimizing trauma to the ribcage (i.e. dislocating and breaking ribs, which can puncture lungs etc)

Guidelines FOR ADULTS only:

  1. Rate: 100-120 compressions per minute.
    • If you have good control, fairly straightforward.
  2. Depth: 2 - 2.4 inches (5 to 6 cm).

    • This is the application of the RIGHT FORCE for THE RIGHT compression depth.
    • Compressions deeper than that have a higher rate of complications.
    • THIS may be more difficult, as a leg weighs more than an arm, and likely less easy to control force.
  3. Placement: middle of sternum, interlocking fingers, and pulling fingers back so the heel of the palm is what presses on the sternum.

    • THIS is probably where using a foot would be most difficult. Too wide and you extend beyond the width of the sternum, increasing risk of rib fracture and dislocation - and pneumothorax etc.

BUT going back to the reason why we do compressions, if someone drops without a pulse and is in need of CPR, they would likely die without it.

So if you were to do CPR with the narrowest part of your foot, focusing on controlling depth and rate, would the risks of fracture from too wide of a pressure base be better than NO COMPRESSIONS at all (or too weak ones) because your arms fatigue out?

I speculate that most people would prefer to have foot CPR and risk fractures/pneumothorax in order to not (almost certainly) die. However this part of the discussion would perhaps belong better in philosophy.se; I would be very interested to see a if there is a good argument for not doing it, or a discussion of litigation vs Good Samaritan laws.

But the point of this response was a discussion of the biomechanics of CPR for a foot.

  • Anecdotally, there are a lot of "sue" stories surrounding broken ribs during CPR. I would hope all such cases are dismissed. The issue with this answer is the same as in the question -this is a bad format for this sort of advice. We deviate too far from objectivity and practical demonstration. For example, what constitutes being "too weak" for CPR? Is the risk different if performing it on a child? How much force is too much for a foot? Health SE is a much better fit. – James Oct 5 '16 at 4:48
  • Agreed, possible to move it? I'll adjust to state adult, good point-out. Yes, phrasing of question is an issue also. – DoctorWhom Oct 5 '16 at 4:50

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