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I see the clear benefit of the vaccination if one didn't have the disease. However, there are a lot of people who had the disease already. So I assume they also have the anti-bodies?

Or is this a probabilistic thing; e.g. when you had the disease you're 50% likely to have antibodies (in a high-enough number) several months later?

From the immune systems "preparation" for future COVID-19 infections, is there a difference between the vaccination and having had the disease? (I'm not speaking about side-effects / symptoms)

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We don't know, and may never know or won't know for a long time.

The reason we think the recently approved mRNA vaccines are effective is due to randomized controlled trials. You take a population of people who haven't previously gotten COVID-19, give half the vaccine and half the placebo, and determine efficacy based on the ratio of subsequent infections in both groups.

To answer your question, whether there is a benefit to vaccination after having COVID-19, you'd have to repeat the same trial in people who were already infected. That's...probably not going to happen. For one, any protection that prior infection provides is going to mean the "control" group in such a trial has a lower infection rate. This means that the overall power of the study will be lower for the same vaccine protection, so they trial may need to be much much larger to show an effect. Trials are expensive, and there's little reason to do this trial so little chance anyone will want to fund it. Companies manufacturing the vaccine want to show it works in the uninfected population, because most people still remain uninfected. Secondly, to answer conclusively that the vaccine has no benefit in people previously infected is even more difficult; it's actually statistically impossible to demonstrate this so it's necessary to set a threshold>0 to compare to. It's very unusual to design trials like this for anything but safety.

Overall, it's likely that people who have had COVID-19 before will still be recommended to get vaccinated. We won't have sufficient data to recommend against it, and can't be certain those people won't benefit from the vaccine. Prior knowledge of other coronaviruses causing "common cold" illnesses suggests that coronavirus immunity is not long-lasting; the worry is that people with generally cold-like symptoms will only get cold-like immunity to the virus, and hope that the vaccines will elicit a stronger immune response. We still don't know exactly how long vaccine protection will last (because the vaccines are still so new), but it's far more likely for us to understand the extent of vaccine protection than to understand the effect of natural infection since the former is possible in a controlled study setting.

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  • "coronavirus immunity is not long-lasting" - that would be true for a vaccination and for people who had COVID-19, right? Or could there be differences? – Martin Thoma Dec 28 '20 at 21:01
  • @MartinThoma The hope is the vaccines will provide longer lasting immunity, especially compared to those who experience mild illness. There is no data because the vaccines and disease are both new. – Bryan Krause Dec 28 '20 at 21:06
  • Are there examples of other diseases where having had the disease provides less protection for the future than the vaccination? How does that work / why is that the case? – Martin Thoma Dec 29 '20 at 7:59
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    @MartinThoma That's a separate question. You're free to pose it as a new question after doing some research on your own. – Carey Gregory Dec 29 '20 at 14:56
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As I understand the matter:

If this is the case and 90%+ efficacy holds for recovered patients, then it follows that yes, it is reasonable to expect a benefit of a COVID-19 vaccination if one had COVID-19.

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There's now more data supporting a yes answer: Moderna just published results of a phase 2 trial that found that vaccinated individuals had higher antibody responses than people who had symptomatic COVID-19. See Figure 3 of Chu 2021. While antibody levels aren't a direct measure of protection from disease, those two things generally correlate very well.

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Is there a benefit of a COVID-19 vaccination if one had COVID-19 before?

NO

They have not proven any benefit to vaccinating people who recovered from COVID-19. Further, it seems highly improbable that such a benefit exists:

According to nature.com

The data suggest that repeat infections are rare — they occurred in fewer than 1% of about 6,600 participants who had already been ill with COVID-19.

(Emphasis added. Note that "1%" is an upper bound, not an estimate of the actual number)

In fact, re-infections after COVID-19 are so rare that they literally make the news. (Even when they do appear to happen, you have to factor in the probability of the first or the last diagnosis being a false-positive, which is high, not to mention the scientists' desire to be the first to "discover" such a case)

On the other hand, the vaccines are just 90-95% effective. This is better than nothing, but can't compare to having had the infection before.

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    Your opinion is that experts aren't basing their opinions on science, so you form an opposing opinion with no basis in science? This doesn't answer the question asked. – Carey Gregory Feb 15 at 15:34
  • @CareyGregory What experts? I answer the question. The answer is "no". – bobcat Feb 15 at 17:38
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    Following your edits you at least address the question now, but regarding this statement: but can't compare to having had the infection before. Says who? – Carey Gregory Feb 15 at 20:31

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