From what I have read it is not considered effective to screen for ovarian cancer in non-symptomatic women. Would it not be worth doing an ultra-sound scan, then if there are growths found, do a ROMA test?
Screening tests are done across the population of asymptomatic people at risk of a disease (e.g. mammogram to look for breast cancer in all women with breasts) to try to catch disease early in its course.
Diagnostic tests are done when a patient presents with symptoms.
The ROMA test is a diagnostic test done when a woman presents with an adnexal mass, and uses serum markers (CA125, HE4) to stratify the risk of the mass being cervical cancer in that individual. It is generally done after a pelvic ultrasound, and helps guide decisions regarding biopsy etc.
Currently, most professional organizations including the USPSTF do NOT recommend screening for ovarian cancer:
Importance - The age-adjusted incidence of ovarian cancer from 2010 to 2014 was 11.4 cases per 100,000 women per year.1 Ovarian cancer is the fifth most common cause of cancer death among US women and the leading cause of death from gynecologic cancer, despite its low incidence.1 Approximately 14,000 women die of ovarian cancer each year in the United States. More than 95% of ovarian cancer deaths occur among women 45 years and older.2
Detection - The positive predictive value of screening tests for ovarian cancer is low, and most women with a positive screening test result do not have ovarian cancer (ie, many women without ovarian cancer will have a false-positive result on screening tests).
Benefits of Screening - The USPSTF found adequate evidence that screening with transvaginal ultrasound, testing for the serum tumor marker cancer antigen 125 (CA-125), or a combination of both does not reduce ovarian cancer mortality.
Harms of Screening - The USPSTF found adequate evidence that screening for ovarian cancer can result in important harms, including many false-positive results, which can lead to unnecessary surgical interventions in women who do not have cancer. Depending on the type of screening test used, the magnitude of harm ranges from moderate to substantial and reflects the risk for unnecessary diagnostic surgery. The USPSTF found inadequate evidence on the psychological harms of screening for ovarian cancer.
USPSTF Assessment - The USPSTF concludes that there is at least moderate certainty that the harms of screening for ovarian cancer outweigh the benefits.
To summarize, screening tests are generally done population-wide when the population-wide benefits of catching early disease outweighs the harms of the testing/treatment done on the false positive cases of those screening tests. Testing and treating a false-positive can have serious or even fatal consequences. The benefits and risks are weighed carefully when deciding whether to screen population-wide.
Screening for an individual based on their risks (e.g. first degree family members with ovarian cancer, environmental exposures or genetic mutations known to increase risk, etc) is NOT considered population-wide screening, it is something discussed with an individual's physician in their wellness visit, and is based on individual factors.
Once any test (whether screening or diagnostic) is performed, any positive results ABSOLUTELY MUST be followed up by the physician to discuss risks and benefits of the next steps in diagnosis and/or treatment. That is why the risks of diagnostics/treatments of false positive results (which occur at least a small % of the time in any test) have to be considered when deciding whether there is more harm or benefit to screening at a population level.
Without giving an entire lecture on biostatistics... for example, if a screening test were to have a 5% false positive rate, and we screened a population of 1 million women, about 50,000 of those women screened would have a falsely positive result that would result in unnecessary additional tests/treatment. But when considering an individual, many other factors may change the balance of risks/benefits to favor doing testing, so that is why primary care providers are (usually) well trained in both doing and discussing screening tests with patients, to guide each individual in what is best for them.
So if an asymptomatic woman was to get an ultrasound and discover growths and then get a ROMA and be assigned high risk she (or her doctor/specialist) should not consider surgery/further investigation (assuming no other health issues)? Put another way, if the woman in the case above was reasonable in considering going further, would this not mean it would be reasonable for any woman without symptoms to take the first step? Sep 19, 2019 at 20:44
1No that is NOT AT ALL what I am saying, nor is that what you asked in your original question. You clearly misunderstood, so I added biostats principles to clarify further. If someone chose to do a screening test when asymptomatic and had positive findings, any further actions are no longer considered screening, they would be considered diagnostic or treatment and they MUST RETURN TO THEIR DOCTOR to discuss the risks/benefits of the next steps. Your question makes me concerned this is an individual case, which is out of scope on this site, and should be addressed with the individual's doctor. Sep 20, 2019 at 19:28
OK - that question was not in the original question. I had put in the suggestion of ultrasound and ROMA in the hope that the explaining why that isn't feasible would remove the apparent contradiction that I see between the anti-screening recommendation and the hypothetical case. I think the original question is interesting in its own right so I am going to leave it and post a new question where I will try to better express my concerns. BTW I have read the site disclaimer and would never make a major medical decision based on something I read on the internet. Sep 23, 2019 at 19:02
medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/q/20129/16864 Sep 23, 2019 at 19:18
It's interesting that you picked this one specific example, because it happens to have been studied by Gigerenzer, a prominent expert on risk perception. It also showcases that one shouldn't insist all the time of applying "common sense" to medicine, since facts show that, counterintuitive as it is to both patients and physicians, the screening does not have benefits.
There is a nice citation in Gigerenzer's paper subsuming the facts:
about 3 women in 1,000 in both the screening and the nonscreening group died of ovarian cancer within that time frame, and about 85 in 1,000 in each group of other causes. It further revealed substantial harms within the screening group: 96 women in every 1,000 screened had a false alarm, of whom 32 had their ovaries unnecessarily removed as part of further diagnostic work-up.
So, screening for ovarian cancer does not reduce your chances of dying of ovarian cancer (or dying at all - that part is quite important, since one cannot rely on a death certificate correctly stating the reason for death). If you lost a relative to ovarian cancer, it is normal to have thoughts like "if only she had been tested early enough", but in reality, that would not have helped.
The problem here is that the scenario of "test -> detection -> help" is so firmly rooted in people's ideas about medicine, that the idea of a test which does individually detect a malignancy but is unsuitable for screening just doesn't compute. I recommend reading the full paper (10.1038/s41598-018-35585-z), or try to get hold of some talks by Gigerenzer or his staff, highly interesting stuff.
There are better way of representing this information, and one of them was tested in the paper I cite. I hope you can see easier from it why the screening is not recommended.
Good find. Ironically, the same is the case for bi-annual coloscopy including snaring innocent-looking polyps, as well as doing PSA over the age of 40, yet public healthcare not only happily burns money for that, but actually recommends everybody does it.– DamonSep 19, 2019 at 18:32
2I'm not disputing the underlying message, but those numbers are weird. Exactly the same incidence of 1) ovarian cancer, 2) ovarian cancer deaths, and 3) total deaths in the two sample populations? That seems not quite right... Sep 19, 2019 at 20:20
@frodoskywalker The cited source states something different: "Ovarian cancer was diagnosed in 212 women (5.7 per 10,000 person-years) in the intervention group and 176 (4.7 per 10,000 person-years) in the usual care group (rate ratio [RR], 1.21; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.99-1.48). There were 118 deaths caused by ovarian cancer (3.1 per 10,000 person-years) in the intervention group and 100 deaths (2.6 per 10,000 person-years) in the usual care group (mortality RR, 1.18; 95% CI, 0.82-1.71)." Sep 19, 2019 at 20:55
Here is the source of the figure in the answer: nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35585-z.pdf Sep 19, 2019 at 21:00
@KarstenTheis Thank you. That specific figure seems to be created to study gynecologists' responses to a hypothetical outcome from screening, rather than containing actual data. Sep 19, 2019 at 22:27